Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic

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Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
Dear all,
Apologies for being a little inexperienced in quantum computational chemistry, but I need a little guidance to make sure I'm not just fumbling my way into any random computation and getting exactly what I need.
I want to calculate the hyperfine structure constants for the LiK molecule in its first excited singlet state (the A singlet sigma +). This includes getting the electric field gradients for both atoms as well as everything required for the constants defined as c1c4 (spinspin, spinrotation etc.) I would also like the electronic gfactor if possible.
I understand enough to run these calculations for the groundstate (although perhaps not the output for the electric field gradient) but I am stumped as to how to redefine the calculation to do it for the Asingletsigma+.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Apologies for being a little inexperienced in quantum computational chemistry, but I need a little guidance to make sure I'm not just fumbling my way into any random computation and getting exactly what I need.
I want to calculate the hyperfine structure constants for the LiK molecule in its first excited singlet state (the A singlet sigma +). This includes getting the electric field gradients for both atoms as well as everything required for the constants defined as c1c4 (spinspin, spinrotation etc.) I would also like the electronic gfactor if possible.
I understand enough to run these calculations for the groundstate (although perhaps not the output for the electric field gradient) but I am stumped as to how to redefine the calculation to do it for the Asingletsigma+.
Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
The hyperfine structure constants and the electronic gfactor are all zero for singlet (S=0) states.
Anyway, you can calculate properties of excited states with MCSCF by specifying the desired state in the wave function input.
 Hans Jørgen.
Anyway, you can calculate properties of excited states with MCSCF by specifying the desired state in the wave function input.
 Hans Jørgen.

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
Thanks! Though I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing in this case. I'm interested in finding the coupling constants as in the Hamiltonian I've attached below.
Just for the sake of time and simplicity, what is the best way of defining the necessary wavefunctions in MCSCF with dalton? Say for the Asingletsigma or the btripletpi.

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
Aha (wrt what you want to calculate).
An MCSCF calculation will by default converge to the lowest state of the specified symmetry and spin multiplicity. To converge to e.g. the second state (as for A singlet SIGMA +) you need to add
For PI states one must select either PI_x or PI_y of the degenerate pair under
 Hans Jørgen.
An MCSCF calculation will by default converge to the lowest state of the specified symmetry and spin multiplicity. To converge to e.g. the second state (as for A singlet SIGMA +) you need to add
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*OPTIMIZATION
.STATE
2
.SYMMETRY
, typically symmetry 2 or 3. If you do not want a symmetry broken solution (with pi_x orbitals different from pi_y orbitals) you must also specify .SUPSYM
, which will force the pi_x and pi_y orbitals to be not symmetry broken. Hans Jørgen.

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
Alright brilliant! Although I wonder if MCSCF calculations are any good in terms of accuracy or calculating the properties I need. Say I wanted electric field gradients, nuclear shielding constants and the rotational gfactor. From what I've read previously, most of these are best determined using DFT rather than ab initio approaches? Or are they both equally valid?
I can't find much on TDDFT in the manual, is that an option in Dalton? If so, how would I approach excited states using TDDFT instead?
The properties I'd like to investigate include:
I'm sorry for the barrage of questions, feel free to point me to any example files that might help, I'm just having trouble navigating the myriad of options and nonoptions to extract what might be best.
Thank you again!
I can't find much on TDDFT in the manual, is that an option in Dalton? If so, how would I approach excited states using TDDFT instead?
The properties I'd like to investigate include:
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**PROPERTIES
.MAGNET
.QUADRU
.NQCC
.SHIELD
.MOLGFA
.SPINSPIN
.SPINR
Thank you again!

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
As your problem is essentially a twoelectron problem I think you should be able to do quite OK with MCSCF, maybe a RASSCF with 2 electrons in the 8 valence orbitals in RAS2, some subvalence orbitals in RAS1 and correlating orbitals for those in RAS3. Some testing would be a good idea to find a suitable MCSCF model.
Yes, TDDFT is implemented in the **RESPONS module (called linear response) and quadratic and cubic response is also implemented for some functionals. However, even though quadratic and cubic response in principle can give you excited state properties, it will definitely not work for all your desired properties.
Yes, TDDFT is implemented in the **RESPONS module (called linear response) and quadratic and cubic response is also implemented for some functionals. However, even though quadratic and cubic response in principle can give you excited state properties, it will definitely not work for all your desired properties.

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
That is amazing help, thank you again!

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
And after that lovely thank you, I have one final question as a complete newbie: how would you recommend me specifying the INACTIVE ORBITALS and the CAS SPACE for the LiK molecule? I've tried a number of combinations but I'm completely unsure as to which one is best. Again, we're considering some of the lower excited states.
What is the general approach to these variables?
What is the general approach to these variables?

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
I would first run a HartreeFock plus MP2 and look at the MP2 natural orbital occupation numbers to see how important it is to correlate some of the subvalence orbitals. The HartreeFock output also shows you how the occupied orbitals are distributed over symmetries, a little easier that doing the analysis yourself.

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Re: Calculating hyperfine structure constants for first EXCITED state of a diatomic
You also need to be aware that there are very considerable "core polarization" and core correlation effects in alkalimetal dimers, especially with heavier alkali metals. I am less optimistic that MCSCF will do well for these properties because such effects must be important near the nuclei. This is not an argument against trying, of course! But accounting for these effects is not easy and places heavy demands on the basis sets as well as the manyelectron treatment.
By the way, I am of the opinion that any agreement between observation and (TD)DFT for these properties is simply sheer luck. The functionals are not parametrized for this sort of thing.
Best regards
Pete
By the way, I am of the opinion that any agreement between observation and (TD)DFT for these properties is simply sheer luck. The functionals are not parametrized for this sort of thing.
Best regards
Pete
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